With the return of Luke Skywalker to the Star Wars universe, you’d expect that fans would be buzzing… but STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI has proven to be one of the most divisive films of the series. This week, Steve is joined by podcast vets Chris Utley and Patrick Erskine to talk about the dangers of nostalgia, the power of nobodies and the damage of the past.
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Good conversation. Just a quick comment about J.J. Abrams changing the Rey story in Episode IX. Abrams was Executive Producer for Last Jedi, so he certainly had his fingers in the storyline. I don’t think he’s going to change it.
Most devicive film of the series?More like most devicive movie of 2017!
Yeah, I?ve been trying to think of one that?s caused more chatter this year. Can?t think of one. Maybe Wonder Woman but that wasn?t too divisive, tbh.
It almost makes one want to watch one of the prequels instead. Ok, maybe not quite…
Disgraceful excuse for a star wars movie.
Oh it could?ve been worse
In the Last Jedi,
Luke sucked,
Rey makes no sense,
Rey’s parents was another plot hole,
Yoda looks weird,
Snoke is wasted,
Rey’s lightsaber gets destroyed,
Rose’s interest in Finn is forced,
Purple hair lady is weird,
Mary Poppins is dumb,
Luke’s death made absolutely no sense, i mean he thought too hard and it killed him,
No lightsaber duel,
Finn’s story sucked,
Phasma was wasted again,
Luke milked that sea creature,
Luke whined the entire movie,
Pretty much, and that’s being kind.
the part that pissed me off the most was Yoda being retarded, Luke being a stubborn Hermit the opposite of what you would expect, from being a Padawan of yoda, how when they found the code breaker, you knew something was up, such a shitty plot, and a joke to the forces capabilities, maybe this is just the end of the road for Luke and all that good chapters and maybe it’s going to explode and some new Jedi s***?!, idk if they can resurrect that, “but there is no try”, yoda voice, lol, smh.
Hey bud I hate to break it to you but Luke has always been whiny.
Amos Paslay I hear what you’re saying Amos but Yoda was very much in keeping with his portrayal in the OT. There, he too started out as bitter but had the humour of someone who’d see it all. In fact, in some ways, Luke really seemed a lot like Yoda in those films, except he had a more difficult time dealing with the past issues.
just on that movie The Last Jedi he seems so f****** annoying, Luke is going to burn down the old Jedi archives, and Yoda holds him back with the force and then lights the son-of-a-b**** on fire with lightning, idk really childish to me.
Amos Paslay That’s totally fair. Personally (and it’s just my opinion, of course), I was onboard with it. I liked the fact that Yoda was still ‘teaching’ him, even in his older age. By burning the tree, Yoda shows him that he’s actually right–but not for the reasons he thinks. I know it wasn’t a script choice that everyone loves but I thought it worked, personally.
I just pray that the whole thing was a hologram, but I feel you and maybe I should watch it again, I just kind of lost interest, at Walmart they were selling Sabres for the kids and it showed Luke holding a multicolored saber, and I was like OMG it’s about time that they come out so cool and hard with it, then that happened.
I just pray that the whole thing was a hologram, but I feel you and maybe I should watch it again, I just kind of lost interest, at Walmart they were selling Sabres for the kids and it showed Luke holding a multicolored saber, and I was like OMG it’s about time that they come out so cool and hard with it, then that happened.
Amos Paslay ha! Not gonna lie: that would?ve been amazing in every way!
Amos Paslay I think you missed that scene completely. Yoda didn’t hold him back, he just appeared and Luke stopped. Yoda already knew, the archives weren’t in there, but used that as a teaching moment to Luke. Yoda was never fond of Luke, he never wanted to train him because Luke was always impatient and lacking true faith. In ESB Yoda tells Obi Wan that he can’t train him and only does it because Obi Wan begged. Given the choice, Yoda would rather train Leia who was always more level headed than Luke.
Yup. It was Yoda who revealed that there is another in ESB
An abomination to anything baring the title star wars.
I’m intrigued as to why you think that Daniel. I saw the list of things you put earlier on in this post–and some are fair and I agree with–but I’m not sure why any of those things make this an ‘abomination’. The story went in a new direction, sure. But the film has a lot to say on dealing with trauma and the past.
I wonder if people will say the same things about Solo, especially since we haven’t seen a trailer–and we’re less than 6 months from release. Could that be the ‘death knell’ of the franchise, or an opportunity to bring in the new generation of viewers?
I don’t think TLJ was the best of the 8 films, but I’m going to let it sit a few years and see if it ages gracefully (like TESB, which was panned quite a bit upon its release). The ninth will speak volumes as to it’s longevity.
Haven’t seen it yet. Probably won’t for a while
Snoke dies, phasma dies
The prequels are a thousand times better. Especially Revenge of the Sith which is a criminally underrated masterpiece.
Finally someone said it
Finally someone said it
Revenge of the Sith is actually brilliant.
How Palpatine used the possible death of Anakin’s wife Padme to lure Anakin to the dark side is a brilliant story.
Nothing that smart can be found in the Last Jedi.
Revenge of the Sith is a brilliant story which makes total sense.
The Last Jedi makes no sense at all. It actually tries to hard to not make any sense at all.
It?s beyond me why they would intentionally make a movie that they know will split the fanbase and potentially effect their profit
I hear you, Christopher. I do. But, to be fair, the same thing happened with Empire as well. It made the least money of all of them but, 15 years later, it was held up as a masterpiece and many find it the best one. Plus, they’re calling this one to cross the billion dollar mark now so the profits will satisfy Disney. No, it’s not as crowd pleasing as Force Awakens but it had different ambitions.
Hated it…
Did any of you actually listen to our podcast?
I did. I don’t necessarily agree with much of it. But that isn’t surprising given the divide in reviews for this film. You either love it or hate it from what I’ve seen, and I am one of those who absolutely hated it. As a fan of the novels, every game adaptation (from Dark Forces to Old Republic games), the original trilogy, a bit of the new trilogy, and everything in-between, I just found that the story overall is much weaker than anything I’ve seen or experienced before. That tied up with my feeling on their unnecessary social-justice themes, various plot holes, and and very odd choice of character progressions (Snoke dies, Rey has no important family, etc.) just left me feeling that they completely missed the mark and wasted a lot of potential with this new trilogy.